1. The origin, or at least a big piece of the history of, Charles Widmore, whom we see as a young man, part of Richard's people in a military outfit, back on the island in the early 1950s...
2. We also see Widmore in the future, our present, as he advises Desmond, who comes to see him, to take Penny and stay the hell away from the island. Desmond says he will, but you and I both know he won't. So does Penny, deep down. They have a baby boy - his name is Charlie. But don't get that excited - the baby boy is much more likely named after our Charlie Pace, and is not him.
3. Back to Richard - we now have more confirmation that he's some kind of eternal living on the island. This was pretty clear already, and certainly last week, but was good to see tonight anyway. Also nice was Locke closing the little loop that was opened last week - he gives the compass that the older Richard gave him in the future, back to the younger Richard in the 1950s past. The older Richard of course remembered that he had met Locke, because was older than he was when he meets Locke in tonight's meeting, but Locke did not, because he was about an hour or whatever younger last week than he was tonight. (Paging Dylan, and even B. Button, "but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now...") You now you see, again, why I love time travel and its loops.
4. Desmond of course is also caught in these loops, and tonight's episode was in effect Part II of the great time travel episode with Desmond last year. He's now heading back to L.A., with Penny and little Charlie, because that's where Ms. Hawking - Faraday's mother - now is. But, as we saw last week, Ben's there, too - where he may be put to what I see as his ultimate moral test: will he kill Penny, as he vowed to her father at the end last year? If he does, or tries to, I'll lose any belief in his ultimate goodness. If he refrains it's a whole new world...
5. Also in L.A. is Jack - and that stadium - in which Desmond met Jack on the stairs at the beginning of Season 2. I don't even want to go there. Actually, yes I do - maybe this will give some hint of how that insane coincidence came to be. (I've written that the inexplicable coincidences hold the keys to what is really going on.)
6. And last but not least - back on the island there's a hydrogen bomb hanging around, waiting to be buried. Maybe that's the island's powerful electromagnetic energy source - or helps power the island's time skips...
I'm really enjoying being back on the island - and off.
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When Richard called the snarky guy Widmore, I got goosebumps. It was so good. Geeze that guys been angry all his life. So do you think the blonde with the gun in the 50s is someone? Faraday's mother?
By my count we have 5 differnt groups on the island
1. The Others
2. Whoever landed with the French woman
3. The US military in the 50's (perhaps they are the other's, which would make Richard and Jacob a sub group of originals)
4. Dharma
5. O-815 ers
Will we run into Danielle? (I think that's Ruseau's first name?! actually I'm not sure Ruseau is her last name it's been so long!)
I expect we will see Jack's dad on the island in the past
I love that nothing can be changed by the time travel (except Lock's return to life I am guessing) ...I hate when family members disappear off of photos because of something going amiss in the past!
I'm sort of thinking that the blond with the gun is the blond that Faraday was experimenting with in time ...
If she isn't, though, she's definitely someone that we know, in a different form, in Lost...
We may well run into Rousseau again - good point.
PS - But, yeah, the blonde with the gun could be Faraday's mother - I thought at first that the woman with white hair tonight, much younger than Eloise Hawking, was Faraday's mother.... But apparently not...
BTW, I thought the baby last week did NOT look Asain, I thought it might be Ben, do we know about his infanthood?
Hmm... I thought the baby did look Asian ...
We saw Ben being born - back in the states - his mother died in childbirth, and his father went to the island.
But then where did the compass come from in the first place? :-)
(I love time travel.)
I think elle is eloise hawkings aka faradays mother, that is why he recognized her and stopped himself from telling her who he was. This was really interesting about Widmore - he was to implusive-aggressive to run the others which is why he probably was thrown off the island. Example was last weeks cut off Julia's other arm. Simply great writting
A lot of good points here. I agree that I think Ellie is Faraday's mother. I also think that Faraday could be Whitmore's son. Why would Whitmore be funding his research? If you remember, Faraday's mouse was named Eloise. I think in general, Faraday, Charlotte, and Miles were all born on the island. Miles is probably the Dharma doctor's son. Here's a link to my blog post with some other thoughts http://taraperucci.blogspot.com/2009/01/lost-53the-pieces-start-to-fit-together.html.
Wow I never thought of him as being whitmores son. I like Tara's thinking Paul. Nice to meet you Tara
Welcome to Infinite Regress, Tara!
I agree with Dawn - I think Faraday being Widmore's son is a great idea.
This would make Faraday at very least a half-brother with Penny, which could explain more of the basis of Faraday and Desmond being anchors. It also means Faraday would try to stop Ben from killing Penny...
Michael - one possible way we can explain how the watch got into the loop of older Richard giving it to Locke who gives it back to younger Richard so older Richard can give it to Locke - is to hypothesize an earlier version of the universe (Watch 1), in which Richard gets the watch from someone other than Locke. When Richard sees Locke in the jungle last week, he gives Locke the watch, not because Richard remembers actually getting the watch from Locke when Richard was younger, but because Richard sees this as good plan. The instant Locke takes the watch, we're now in Watch 2, and the loop (which of course also is predicated on Locke surviving long enough to give the watch back to the young Richard)...
You gotta love it :)
:) I'm in an alternate universe myself - compass, not watch!
If the Dharma people were there in the 50's Miles would be way too young to be the baby (barring time loops and stuff of course) I'm thinkng Sun's dad would be a more logical age. (Or Jin's dad...or Jin or even Sun for that matter, do we know the baby is a boy?)
Also do you think Walt has to return to the island? He was very connected when he was there
I'm with you. If you remember an episode or two ago, the Doctor/Actor from the training videos fed his infant child moments before bumping into an adult Faraday. So, while having Miles be the son of the training-video doctor would be really interesting... it doesn't seem to fit. That is, unless, the Faraday who bumped into the Doctor was a time-traveling Faraday... haha.
So many loops, so little...time? To quote Cutler Beckett's second in command from Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, "Do you think he plans it all out, or just makes it up as he goes along?"
This philosophy can certainly apply to the Lost universe. What I'm curious about is this:
Currently it is 2007 now, they established that by saying it is "3 years later", which we can obviously deduce from the age of Aaron, Walts age, the date for the rescue around December 2004, and so forth.
The islanders are "without time." So 2004, 2007, 1954, do not exist in relation to them, because they are caught in the loop.
There is still no explanation for the four toed foot, although I have heard they are "supposed" to explain that this year.
Let's go back to season 2 for a second in that Desmond was pressing the button to "save the world", (To which the highly religious Echo picked up quickly when Locke wouldn't), but from what exactly? Obviously the hint in last weeks episode is that the concreted area of "The Hatch" might have been where the leaking H-bomb was stored. However, was that H-bomb responsible for the incident at "The Hatch", perhaps something on the island channeled the energy released from when Desmond turned the key, prohibiting a nuclear detonation that would have destroyed the island and everyone on it. Thus causing the massive energy signal Penny's watchdogs reported.
Now, that being said, again, Richard brings up that Locke has to "save the island" by dying. So far we have two counts of someone that did not originate from the island being given the duty to either save the island or the world as a whole.
We now know Dharma was attempting some type of time travel experiment, or at least to harness the ability to manipulate time, but again, for what reason?
You have islanders that never age, seemingly living outside of time itself, as our cast aways are currently doing.
You have time manipulation, saving the island and saving the world? All are obviously interconnected, with an approaching end at or near 2012 (official end 2010 for the series; which something tells me that won't be the end; this show is just too compelling).
What's the likelihood that the Mayan calendar, Atlantis, Lemuria, maybe even some ancient super advanced civilization could play a factor before the end of this series? You remember the two dead bodies in season one, where did they come from and who or what were they? Plus there are the religious symbols we have seen all throughout the story (black smoke crucifix, the priests drug runners, Locke's faith, Virgin Mary dolls, Lock's father taunting the island as Hell, and of course a power source so unbelievable it gives the impression of moving an island).
Aliens? God? What could it be? Is it quite possible, the island is an ark for some impending doom?
Just throwing my random thoughts out there, because like Paul, I love time travel stories as well!
This episode answered another question. (At least I think it did.) Now we know why Richard was so upset when he went to visit child Locke, who chose the knife.
Richard is going about his island business when one day a mysterious bald man appears who calls him by name, knows about Jacob, claims to be his people's leader from the future, and gives him a compass. Locke also tells him his name, hometown, and age in that year and even invites him to visit. Then he gains credibility by vanishing in a flash of light. A couple years later it's time to find a new leader, so logically Richard sets off to visit young Locke, assuming he'll confirm his identity by selecting the compass. When he doesn't, Richard is flabbergasted.
What's interesting is that when Richard received the compass, there was no indication that it meant anything to him. Certainly it didn't convince him that he should reveal any island secrets to Locke. Neither of them seem to know anything about that compass. I wonder why Richard gave it to himself.
That's an excellent account, Tvindy - and shows why the compass is just the tip of the time-travel loop iceberg.
But as to why that compass was chosen - I think the point is that it could have been any small object. The compass is just the content of the paradox, not its creator.
Welcome to Infinite Regress, Looper! (well-named :)
Your point about why is Dharma messing around with time travel gets at one of the underlying questions of the whole story: how much of the island is the way it is because it just, somehow, came that way, and how much is the result of some group, such as Dharma, instilling with it certain strange properties?
Thank you Paul! You could say I am looping out of control!:)
Well, I started thinking some more about the time-out-of-time situation the cast aways seem to be in. Bascially, their circumstances seem to be defying the very same laws that suggest what they are doing are impossible, namely all the known laws of physics. Although some theories, like String Theory or M-Theory, allow for such circumstances, there's no evidence to prove that theory whatsoever (because no one really knows how; and I loved Faradays analogy equating time to a "string" so to speak; somebody on that show likes String Theory).
Anyway, there is one other phenomenon in our universe that reacts in the same method that this island seems to be reacting at the present, uh, time. Only one thing in the universe exists within our universe but does not hold to any of the presumed, empirically proven or observed parameters of time and space...a black hole.
Now, there are theories that suggest that black holes could be wormholes, in that they can transmit information or an object (namely a human) to any part of the universe, any time, depending of course on the type of black hole. A singularity black hole would of course result in your utter distruction if you got within the event horizon (if you didn't get stretched to the Nth degree). Once in the event horizon, you're without time. Space and time have no meaning and all know laws of physics break down (much like at the big bang).
Now, there is one type of black hole that is different, a Kerr black hole. This black hole has what is presumed to be a naked singularity. What is unique about this one in particular, the naked singularity is a ring essentially. It doesn't fall into a fixed point, but actually has an aperture you could conceivably pass through. Now, what would happen if you went through one is anyone's guess, if you survived. But the enormous power a black hole puts out (particularly the white light effect a naked singularity emits, if you could see it), would be something profound. Maybe even enough to "move" an object and make it disappear?
Just an idea, I know that's not it by any means, but what if that energy is some how related to a black hole, presumably a Kerr black hole that some how the ability to control it has been achieved. But, who achieved it?
Like you said Paul, that's attempting to get at the crux of where or why or how the island is what it is. I just can't wait until we reach the end of Season 6 to see what they do. But for now, I'll settle for figuring out what the heck is going on next week!
Until next time! Looper, looping out!
Time travel, aint it grand. I LOVED Time Tunnel (Colburn and Darren I think)in the 60s and the "Way-way Back Machine, (Cartoon if memory serves)as well as Looper with a much more scientific theory. I think there should be a rule that once a time machine is invented, those of us who thought it was possible get the first ride!
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